As part of the blog tour for the paperback edition of
The Coward's Tale, Vanessa Gebbie is with me today, captured in my blog. Hurray! I asked her questions about writing, scams that beginners should watch out for and other important questions like what would her superpower be.
Elsewhere, I also reviewed her debut novel.
Blog readers, meet
Vanessa Gebbie!
Hi Vanessa! Thanks so much for stopping by.
Hi Chelsey! It’s great to be here - and lovely to catch up. Many many congrats on your forthcoming novel(s)!
Thank you! I've been a fan of your writing ever since I first heard you read at the launch of Riptide Journal in 2006.
Well, thanks. I really enjoyed your writing too.
You read Irrigation, a moving, funny story, which went onto be in your first collection Words From a Glass Bubble. I remember being impressed by how well you read - you seemed to inhabit your characters. A lot of writers struggle with this part of the job, how important do you think it is for us to be impressive when reading our own work?
I love
Irrigation. For those who don’t know, the story takes place during a colonic irrigation. I read it at once at an event at a London bookshop - and a woman in the front row screwed up her face after a few minutes, pulled a book off the nearest shelf and began to read it instead, turning the pages with as much noise as she could. Ha! I carried on regardless, maybe even a little louder in the more graphic bits - and got a long round of applause at the end - though not from her. The only thing you can do is your best, I reckon!
But to answer your question - I think in today’s world, writers have to be Jacks and Jills of all trades. We have to not just write, but we have to be prepared to help publicise and market our books whether we are with big publishers or not. Doing readings, whether at small gatherings or at larger literary festival-type events, is part of that. People like to go and see authors read. So it makes sense to do it as well as we can. There are plenty of tricks to make the reading better... forgetting the audience, and focussing on the words, for one. They are your words, you know them, and can read them better than anyone else.
But it is important to slow the words down, not rush to get it over with. Remember to breathe, too. Have a glass of water to hand, and if your mouth dries up, stop and take a sip. And one great tip - if you are reading from a print out - a few sheets of paper, put them in a stiff folder with a smart cover. Maybe put the title of the story on the folder, and your name. The reason, apart from it looking good? Paper shakes if your hands shake. A folder won’t.
But the most important thing to remember is that everyone is with you. They are interested in what you have written, and are ready to enjoy your words. The woman in that front row in the London bookshop was only allowed out once - she’s now been locked in a cell and can never come out again. So be proud of your work, enjoy it!
Excellent advice. I will buy a folder immediately... And I am so glad that woman has been locked away now! I hope she's being well looked after. I was reading at the same event – my first ever – and I was so nervous (necking wine, in fact). You gave me some tips, praised my story and invited me to join your online writing workshop, The Fiction Workhouse, and have continued to be supportive of my career since. Do you feel as a writer you have a duty to help new writers come through? Do you ever have to say no to new writers?
It was a great party - lots of wine and nibbles, at Exeter University. Really lovely to be there - I was at Exeter yonks ago myself, so it was a nostalgic journey for me. Were you nervous?? I don’t remember - so it obviously didn’t show in the end. I do remember being impressed by your writing though. Sometimes, I can pick a winner. Yay!
At the time, as you say, I was running a small closed writing group online, called The Fiction Workhouse - we were all writers, broadly speaking, of literary short stories, working steadily together to improve - already writing well enough to be published in good places, and our work was placing in competitions. When I met a writer like you whose work fitted, who didn’t have a group to work with and wanted one, I asked them if they’d be interested. Always better to work with people you have met, I think.
I was helped myself by some really lovely writers - and I do think it’s a good thing to do to pass that help on. It’s a tough old world out there, and it makes sense to help each other, not do the opposite. It’s nice to pool information, knowledge, tips and so forth.
If I’m asked for help, I try to give it - if it’s something quick and easy, then that’s fine. But I do say no, increasingly, even though I don’t like doing that. For example, in the last week I was asked if I’d read two collections of short stories by two complete strangers, and then provide them with endorsement quotes. I said no to those requests. But I do understand how hard it is to get endorsement quotes - so I didn’t like saying no.
Another writer last week, via my website, asked if she could send me a few draft chapters of her novel for critique. I said of course... and my rates for reading and giving feedback were £xxx. She didn’t reply. That’s different - she was asking me to work for her, to read, and give professional advice, write a report - for nothing! Cheeky sod.
Your letter to yourself as a beginning writer at Teresa Stenson’s blog was lovely to read. In it you talk about there being ‘so many traps for the aspiring writer’. What would you warn new writers to be vigilant against?
Scams, for one. “Vanity Publishers”, “Agents who ask for money”. ‘Scouts” and “Consultants” who appear to be there to help writers, but who are only in it to make money for themselves. I fell for a ‘scout’/‘consultancy’ scam in the very early days. It went like this:
Email: “ Dear Vanessa, I work for xxxxxxx Ltd (insert important-sounding name). We are an accredited scouting agency working with some of the largest most well-established literary agencies in the UK and the USA. We’ve read your story “xxx” recently published in xxx, and loved it - we are all very excited and think you have a real fresh talent. We’d love to read more of your work with a view to recommending you...”
I got all excited too and sent them a load of work. A day or so later, “Thank you for sending your work. I have read it and really loved it - I am so glad I contacted you! This is incredibly exciting for me. I am a new employee in this scouting agency, and have shown your work to my seniors, who would like a few tiny revisions before sending it out and recommending you to our contacts. xxxx (Insert solid-sounding name here) will be in touch.”
Next email is from xxxx. He tells me he loves my work, can see I’m new to this because of some tiny errors easily rectified, but have vast talent. He has worked on my stories, and made careful notes about the tiny revisions needed before they are going to make me into the next best thing since sliced bread. (Or words to that effect.). If I could send £150 to cover his time (a special rate - normally, he would charge far far more, and does not work with many writers, only those with vast talent.....) He will get the editing suggestions to me. I must do the work quickly - as he has alerted two agents about this new writer, and is meeting with them next week. He looks forward to meeting me with them as soon as it can be arranged.
I Paypal him £150. Borrowed from my husband.
I get my work emailed back with a few scribbles. I revise quickly, exactly as asked, and send back. I am on my way to fame, money, stardom. We go out for a celebratory meal.
Next day, an email from xxxx. “Thank you for sending back your revised work. On second thoughts, we don’t feel you quite fit our current remit - but wish you every good thing in the future.”
They don’t reply to any further emails. Go figure
I would urge new writers to make use of the resources available to them online, to help in spotting scams and other tricks and troubles.
There are great places like
Writer Beware’s blog, where such scams are made public. And it is free.
and the super and also free,
Absolute Write and their Water Cooler, where writers talk - share info, good and bad. A brilliant place to join and ask if anyone’s heard of this bloke who is promising you fame if you just send him... £150.
And there are places like the wonderful Nicola Morgan’s
Help I Need aPublisher blog, and Jane Smith’s
How Publishing Really Works, which frequently air all sorts of useful stuff. Jane also runs The Self-Published Review - where she pulls no punches in her attempts to make self-published authors see that good writing and good editing skills are not things you can do without!
Beware of false gurus, those people who gather groups of adoring fans round themselves, and whose own writing is - er - well - but for some reason everyone hangs on their every word.
Beware of flattery. It opens you to those who want to take advantage somehow.
Beware of following all the advice you are given without assessing it for yourself.
Beware of sharing your work too openly.
Remember, learning to write well takes a long time, and a lot of effort. Writers who insist they never wrote a thing, then suddenly woke up one morning able to write a Booker-winning manuscript, might be fibbing.
A while back you were involved in a debate around cultural tourism or ‘writing other’. This is an issue especially on my mind as Infinite Sky features a family of Irish Travellers. I am not a Traveller. I know it's a big question, but what are your latest feelings on this topic? Do you continue to write other? Or have you stuck to ‘your’ subjects? And do you think too much focus is placed on a writer’s writing responsibly?
It was a very interesting debate. But ultimately, we write what we write. The themes we have to explore as writers are far far more important than the subjects we choose to illustrate them, I think. But we can and do make mistakes sometimes!
I could get upset or antsy every time I read a story about adoption, making assumptions, getting it rather wrong - but I don’t. That writer had as much right to use that subject to illustrate whatever themes they were exploring, as I would have as a writer who also happens to be an adoptee. Sometimes, I might wish they’d done a bit more research before blundering about - but that’s all part of the learning curve. We all have to learn, and if we don’t allow writers to make mistakes we’re lurching towards something indefensible.
Isn’t it better, if we are moved by something, and want to explore it in fiction, to try? Like all work, once it’s out there, we have to accept the criticism it attracts - positive and negative... but criticism that is just saying ‘keep off my patch’ is at best unhelpful and at worst censorship and I don’t listen. Many readers will not notice or mind one way or the other anyway, and will just enjoy the story. It’s only a few who make a fuss. And we can never please everyone, so shouldn’t try to.
I’ve read some unkind debates for example, about Stephen Kelman’s ‘Pigeon English’ - asking what right he had as a white writer to write a novel about a black boy on a London estate. He has every right I reckon, and the book is great.
But yes, I think far too much focus is placed on what we ‘ought’ and ‘ought not’ write about. We can write about anything, surely? It’s straying too close to George Orwell’s 1984 to consider limiting what an imagination wants to imagine. A travelling family is only a family made up of other human beings. I doubt that they experience any different human emotions to you... so in my book, you are as able to create them for me, the reader, as anyone. Where they go, how they go, issues surrounding their non-acceptance by other communities, are the stuff of research. Or the stuff of imagination!
I do understand advisors on writing courses wanting to protect us from possible censure, and pointing out the pitfalls. I was advised strongly at one such course not to write The Coward’s Tale, for reasons which are not dissimilar to the ones at play here - in the end, one man’s view of what was OK and what wasn’t. But at some point we just have to say, “I am glad of the warning, but I will still write this, because I must. I will do my darnedest to create this thing with care, and love, and as much skill as I can - beyond that, I cannot go. And I will stand by my creation, come what may.”
Laddy Merridew is one of my favourite characters in The Coward’s Tale. He is wonderfully sweet: honest, kind, unpopular with kids his own age. Like all of your characters, he seems to be written with such love. How much did having two sons help with his portrayal?
Thank you for loving Laddy - he needs that, doesn’t he? I’m sure, having had boys, it was easier for me to write Laddy and make him real... but the most crucial thing in his creation was that he is very like I was at the same age. It doesn’t matter that he was a boy - kids are kids - so memory was important. He’s a bit of an outsider, naive, doesn’t trust easily, doesn’t take things at face value, is disliked by other kids, is quite feisty and can cope, asks endless questions, loves liquorish Catherine wheels (!).
I was happy to read somewhere that you’re writing a follow up to The Coward’s Tale taking Ianto and Laddy’s story forwards. Is there anything more you could say about this? What else are you working on at the moment?
I am giving it a go, certainly - the working title is ‘Kit’, it will be another split timeline novel - and it will take a bit of doing! More than that it’s hard (or not sensible) to say. I’m also writing poetry and learning about it. I’m very much enjoying learning with the poet Pascale Petit when I am able - just finished the Tate Modern course, and am off on a Ty Newydd course in the summer. I'm doing lots of teaching, planning residencies here there and everywhere. Busy busy.
Finally, and most important of all, if you had a superpower based on a thing you already do rather well (if you do say so yourself) what would it be?
Easy! Anything I imagined would just appear - come to life. It could be seen and experienced by everyone - until someone questioned its viability - then it would disappear.
Isn't Vanessa lovely? Can you believe she ever got scammed? A surprise to me too. Just goes to show, these scammers are cunning, and you must watch out for them. Please comment and let me know what you thought of the interview. I love to hear from you!